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Mr Stuart Thompson informed me, disparagingly, that Harry Potter was not literature. People keep telling me that it's "not well written", and I just don't understand it- ok, you never find yourself wordless at the beauty of JK's prose, but I, for one, am reduced to a giggling mess by her turns of phrase, and isn't that just as good? *IN TWO WEEKS TIME I will complete this paragraph with an example from HP7, but for now, i dare not put so much as a word into the public domain*

Moreover, I just have this feeling that "literature" isn't the point. Something fun and inspiring and captivating is. It's not, as Stuart impugns, about "popularism". The difference between HP and Dan Brown isn't that HP has more readers. How many people, after reading Dan Brown, feel inspired? Feel that their lives are somehow improved? Feel in any way moved to make their world a better place?

Here, I will quote from "Old English in New York":

One final note: As I was getting ready to head to bed Saturday evening, my younger sister, GMH, who had been reading the book all day too, knocked on my door.

"I'm glad we've been expelled from Hogwarts, Kate."

I was confused, and asked her why.

"Because now we can stop worrying about Harry's world, and start fixing our own."


The only thing Dan Brown moves anyone to is hatred of the Church- and I don't think that is in fact the majority of his readers, or even his intention.

So, without further ado, I beg you to read "Old English In New York's" analysis of the social value of Harry Potter. I quote again: But it seems to me they're part of a tradition of narratives written that argue there is still hope. And maybe it's the childish part of me -- but when such distinctions are made, I hope the lessons of Harry Potter do remain: That choices matter more than talents. That every living thing deserves respect. That people can change, and are often more than what they seem. That sacrifices made for love -- real love, whatever that is -- are worth something. That that same love can "save" people, help them become more humane, help them recognize that we have so much to love each other for.

Examples of Well-Turned Phrases

Date: 2007-07-26 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
While we wait, could you offer some examples of well-turned phrases from the first six books? Though I read them all, I don't think I noticed one, and it might be helpful to me if I could get some specific example of quality in the Potter series.

Richard Scott Nokes

Date: 2007-07-26 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niamh-sage.livejournal.com
Please tell me he doesn't think Dan Brown writes literature. My gods, if there was ever crap writing, that'd be it! I tried to read one of his books and couldn't get past the first chapter, it was so horribly written. Yuck, yuck, yuck. JK Rowling is a million miles ahead in the literary stakes!

*froth froth foam*

I had a similar argument over whether Tolkien wrote literature. I couldn't believe that anyone would think his work wasn't literature! It made me realise though, I don't actually have a clue what literature *is* - how it's defined, what features it has, and whether underpants are necessary or merely optional.

I read a quote by Stephen King the other day - he said something along the lines of "My writing is the literary equivalent of a Big Mac and fries". I thought that was wonderful.

Ok, now I'm going to read that analysis.

Date: 2007-07-26 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rayneshadow.livejournal.com
I think a lot of people disparaging JKR are simply doing it in response to all the praise she is receiving. People get a bit irritated because there ARE much better fantasy authors out there who are not receiving the recognition they deserve.
But I think the proper response is not to disparage JKR's writing in order to praise other's. I believe that JKR is a good storyteller and also incredibly lucky to have hit the market at just the right time to attract so much attention. I think there are other authors who with the same luck could have done as well.
HP isn't "literature" but then neither is a lot of fantasy, so I don't know what that argument is supposed to prove. I think there are just a lot of people irritated (me included) that there are people out there who've barely read any books but HP and are calling JKR an amazing writer and HP great literature.

I give you examples from snitchseeker.com - the comments in quotes came from posters there in response to an article in which Terry Pratchett says (more coherently than I) basically what I've just said above.

"by the way he says things, it seems as though he feels dry that JK is kicking his *** in the fantasy genre."

"I've never heard of him but it sounds like he's doubting JK's greatness as a writer."

" He came off sounding a bit condescending in the interview... he could have shown more respect to JKR."

Geh if anyone has any right to sound condescending it's him. She's written 6 books, he's written over 45. If he doesn't want to respect JKR, he damn well doesn't have to.
But yeah, I think a lot of the "JKR doesn't count" comments from people are mostly just reactions.




Date: 2007-07-28 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mkatlj.livejournal.com
Old English in New York here -- Thanks for the link!!! I feel like I didn't quite do Rowling justice in that post -- wrote it too fast, and I didn't want to talk too much about book 7 (doesn't seem fair to kids to let too much out too quickly).

I'm all for compiling well turned phrases, though I don't think Rowling's worth is in her phrases. Anyone can turn a phrase. Heck, I manage a couple every once in a while. It's the ideas that matter most...

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