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highlyeccentric17:12 me: verbs should totally have gender...
or rather, take on gender
Brenton: Latin verbs are hard enough as they are, Miss. :)
17:13 me: well... if i invented a language, it would have gendered verb forms
Brenton: You would. ;P
17:14 me: what's that supposed to mean?
Brenton: You would.
:)
Grammar lover.
me: gendered and numbered forms, but not person, i think
17:15 Brenton: That is a strange idea, and awesome.
I don't know if it would work,.
me: possessives would take their gender from the possessor
not the object
17:16 Brenton: Neat?
17:18 me: shrugthat's what english does. his, hers. as opposed to french "la sienne,le sien" (the female object possessed by the third person, the maleobject possessed by the person)
Brenton: Ah, right.
I see.
me: but i'd extend it, so that me/mine and you/yours had gendered forms
and maybe i wouldn't give my nouns gender
Brenton:In Latin it's the same- 'meus' is the masculine of 'mine,' it's anajective. So 'mea mensa' means my table, even if the speaker is male.
17:19 me: yeah. no grammatical gender.
so verb forms would be: male, female, unspecified human, object
17:21 and would be available in singular, in plural, in plural exclusive (we not you) and in dual number (we two)
the last two only being available in human forms
17:22 hmm...actually, no. the last two won't be verb forms
Brenton: You've thought about this a LOT. I am impressed.
me: they'll be pronouns
because verbs weren't going to conjugate by person
17:23 Brenton: nods I think I follow. This is deep magic.
17:24 [Damn. Several books I want are out.]
me:pronouns will be: I (m/f), you (m/f/n), you plural (m/f/n), they(m/f/n), they plural (m/f/n), it, it plural, we, we exclusive, dualnumber
17:25 oh, and the we forms will have m/f/n declension. probably by suffix
Brenton: nods Cool. I don't have anything to add to that.
It's very good.
:)
17:27 me:nouns will have no gender. they will decline by number and grammaticalrole, and these roles will be: nominative, accusative, and genitive.the dative and instrumental will be indicated by preposition using theaccusative
Brenton: YES.
YES, and YES.
And the prepositions, they will be clear and unambiguous?
17:28 me: um... i dunno.
i haven't got that far
17:29 there will be the subjuctive
verbs will be available in indicative and subjuctive. the imperative will be expressed by use of a prefix on the infinitive
17:30 Brenton: Oooh, that's a enat idea.
*neat
me: the subjunctive will only be used in dependant clauses.
17:31 it will be clearly distunguishable from all other verb forms. possibly by a prefix
Brenton: That's a good idea.
me:yeah, a prefix. so the verb conjugates the same (suffixes and/or vowelchanges according to gender and number), and mood will be indicated bya prefix
17:32 theinfinitive, accordingling, will appear as the stem with a *prefix*, nota suffix. thereby making it easy to identify the verb stem, and to knowwhat to look up in the dictionary
verbs will be entered in the dictionary according to their stem
17:33 gender and number will be indicated by suffixes
by consonant changes in suffixes, in fact
tense will be indicated by vowel changes in the suffix
17:35 sooo... the use of pronouns for the subject of the sentence will become unnecessary
one won't need to say "he does"
because the verb encodes that already
17:36 Brenton: That last is the same as Latin.
This is an awesome plan.
:)
me: will i need a nominative pronoun, do you think?
Brenton: Hmm. Yes, for emphasis.
me: how does latin tell who the actor is, if there's no gendered verb forms?
17:37 Brenton: I'm not sure I follow you.
17:38 Nominative indicates subject.
me: yes
so... if you can just say "sum", how do you know who the subject is?
if there isn't a gendered form of the verb?
or does it only work for first person?
17:39 damn, i want to invent some verbs and pronouns now
Brenton: sum: "I am"
es: "you are"
est: "he/she/it is"
es: "you are"
est: "he/she/it is"
etc
summus 'we are' estis 'you are' sunt 'they are'
17:40 It declines by number.
*conjugates
me: ok, the problem is only in third person
don't you end up scratching your head going "who is?"
Brenton: In third person, it will be combined with a nominative.
me: ah
right
Brenton: Caesar est imperator.
me: cool :)
Brenton: Caesar is the emperor.
me: eeeee, i want to invent some verbs now!
17:41 Brenton:In third person, if there is no nominative (happens), usually means"he" is--> subject is taken from subject of previous sentence.
me: and some pronouns
what should my pronouns look like?
Brenton: Catullus amo Lesbiam. stultus est.
Gah. I mean "Catullus amat Lesbiam. stultus est."
17:42 == Catullus loves Lesbia. He is stupid.
me: heee, i read that!
Brenton: Except that verb usually goes at the end. But you get the idea.
me: hmmm... what's manly sort of vowel?
Brenton:Pronouns should be kept simple. I realise this is not a languagedesigned to look evolved, but pronouns are always simple words.
[at least, AFAIK]
17:43 manly sort of vowel?
What a weird question
17:44 me: i think u and y. first person male and female pronouns
Brenton: Just the letters, or are you going to add things to them?
17:45 me: first person plural pronouns can be ut, yet and et (m/f/neuter)
first person plural exclusive can be us, yes and es
17:46 first person dual number can be unt, yent and ent
17:47 Brenton: That is going to confuse latinists, but we could do with some more confusing. :P
me: hmm... pronouns... will need to decline as well, won't they?
17:48 Brenton: They usually do.
me: so, that was just the nominatives
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Date: 2007-10-19 11:24 am (UTC)Also, *friends you*
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Date: 2007-10-19 11:40 am (UTC)You should have seen college on Wednesday night. First of all, there was the Athletics Victory and Awards Dinner, which had the theme of "Between the Flags" - so therefore there were heaps of people utterly smashed and dressed up like lifesavers. Then the fire alarm went off at around 9 o'clock, so all said people swarmed out of college, down the main stairs, and started doing skulls on the stairs (I never know how to spell that). Pretty much immediately, the firies and the security guys from the uni turned up, and instantly started getting propositioned and offered booze by the smashed people. Who were *cough*dressed*cough* as lifesavers.
It was slightly horrifying.
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Date: 2007-10-19 11:44 am (UTC)That sounds like one hell of a party. The kind that would make me go 'squick' and hide in my room.
Actually, wait- I did see the tail end of part of it, when I helped Our Hostess carry some books to her room. It did not look pleasant.
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Date: 2007-10-19 11:53 am (UTC)I wonder if I could edit this to have "Despite our best efforts" in it?
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Date: 2007-10-19 11:59 am (UTC)Hmmmm. I'm not very competent with image editing. I imagine that you are, with all the cats.
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Date: 2007-10-19 12:04 pm (UTC)And when I do, I just use the LOLCat Builder. It lets you upload photos and put text on top, without fiddling around with stuff like Photoshop and layers and stuff like that.
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Date: 2007-10-19 12:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-10-19 12:13 pm (UTC)Meanwhile, MSPaint + LOLCat Builder =
My prototype, let me show you it.
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Date: 2007-10-19 12:16 pm (UTC)So, for a much less annoyingly complex icon, your prototype is good.
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Date: 2007-10-19 12:25 pm (UTC)I could probably do the rest m'self, but I am a lazy monster of a man.
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Date: 2007-10-19 12:29 pm (UTC)Do you remember the phone message about people needing to clean up bathrooms after they vomited in them? That was MY bathroom, it was disgusting, we all had to decamp to the Drews wing bathroom because it was projectile and it went EVERYWHERE!
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Date: 2007-10-19 12:32 pm (UTC)i had an hour long shower and scrubbed my feet in a traumatised fashion.
rang every RA i could find and none of them were useful. Margot advised me to scrape it up and wash the floor. uh, no.
no one would put a phone message around even pretending that it was someone's responsibility.
in the end Kate called Gully. did you know the SS has the job of cleaning unclaimed vomit?
we felt bad. but... at least she had access to cleaning products.