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Chretien de Troyes ships Yvain/Gauvain.

Nothing will convince me otherwise.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarimanveri.livejournal.com
What have I been saying all this time? Do you want to see my paper about how Chretien de Troyes ships Yvain/Gauvain? I mean, it's actually about how he uses Yvain's friendship with Gauvain to explore an alternative construction of masculinity within the generic conventions of romance, but yeah.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highlyeccentric.livejournal.com
YES YES I DO.

No, seriously, I do. I wanted to do a paper on something like that, but the set question is on the girls, and I figure that given I have to write the thing in a week and a bit, it's easiest to go with the assigned task. The plan is to talk about the *minor* female characters, like the Catfighting Sisters Who Can't Divide Their Inheritance.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarimanveri.livejournal.com
Well, the Catfighting Sisters Who Can't Divide Their Inheritance are pretty fun too, plus there's the whole Yvain/Gauvain proxy fight... surely you can work that in somehow.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highlyeccentric.livejournal.com
I'd like to talk about Lunette and Laudine and the sneaky trick Lunette pulls so that *she* can pick Laudine's husband. Only that's kind of boring, as a paper. So I shall write Lunette/Laudine femslash instead :P

Date: 2008-10-22 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarimanveri.livejournal.com
You bring the femmeslash and I'll bring the slash (and I'll be in Scotland before you?).

If I were to send you a copy of my paper, where would I send it to?

Date: 2008-10-22 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highlyeccentric.livejournal.com
oooh *considers* sent it to... nakedphilologist AT gmail DOT com.

while I have your informative self here, do you suppose you know where I could find out about medieval french inheritance law in Chretien's day?

Date: 2008-10-23 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarimanveri.livejournal.com
Haha, and then I took my informative self off to bed, which I suppose wasn't very helpful. I'll think about inheritance law, but the problem is I do the eleventh century and Chrétien lived in the twelfth, and in the intervening Gregorian Reform, things like that either changed drastically or were recorded drastically differently. There's a really good Frederic Cheyette article on anger in Le Chevalier au Lion that's not really related to inheritance but does have to do with dispute settlement that you should read, though. I can't remember the title off the top of my head but I'll convey it to you when I do remember. And I'll keep thinking...

And I'll send the paper...

Date: 2008-10-23 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highlyeccentric.livejournal.com
I have the Cheyette article, and a couple on the disinherited sisters. :D And I *think* I may have some place to chase down inheritance law- a friend is bringing me a book, apparently.

Date: 2008-10-23 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarimanveri.livejournal.com
... and sent. With article reference.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anachronisma.livejournal.com
Noooooo, Gawain/Lancelot.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highlyeccentric.livejournal.com
Oh, I'm partial to a bit of Gawain/Lancelot, myself. But not so much as Gawain/Bertilak or Gawain/Yvain... Anyway, Lancelot's not IN the Chevalier au Lion, and I haven't read the Knight of the Cart.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anachronisma.livejournal.com
It's allllll over Knight of the Cart. seriously.

...we can only conclude that De Troyes was in love with Gawain.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarimanveri.livejournal.com
...we can only conclude that De Troyes was in love with Gawain.

This. This is the answer. Although I still prefer Yvain/Gauvain.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anachronisma.livejournal.com
When I finally finish my Lancelot-and-Gawain-OTP-of-friendship I will make you read it.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarimanveri.livejournal.com
When I finish my Yvain/Gauvain post-Chevalier au Lion-reunion slash epic I will make you read it.

More medieval lit fanfic for everyone, yay!

Date: 2008-10-22 04:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rymenhild.livejournal.com
EVERYONE WINS.

Except Laudine, unless she gets it on with Lunette...

Date: 2008-10-22 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highlyeccentric.livejournal.com
SHE TOTALLY GETS IT ON WITH LUNETTE.

I mean, did you see that sneaky courtly trick Lunette pulled? The one where the woman asks the man to promise her anything and then asks something ridiculous? She pulled it on Laudine. Clearly they are having it off.

Date: 2008-10-22 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highlyeccentric.livejournal.com
Has someone told you about [livejournal.com profile] kniggit_love yet?

Date: 2008-10-22 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highlyeccentric.livejournal.com
EVERYONE is in love with Gawain.

And/or Gawain is the stock figure for manly-but-gay.

Date: 2008-10-22 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avedaggio.livejournal.com
I just noticed that Beowulf and Hygelac must have something going on.

Congrats on your new historical slash obsession.

Date: 2008-10-22 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highlyeccentric.livejournal.com
*considers*

Hmm... now, I'm not sure I buy that pairing, but my *supervisor* the other day constructed a legitimate argument for why Beowulf may be gay.

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