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highlyeccentricLutheran congregation in Canada defies church sanctions to ordain its first gay pastor.
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Date: 2008-05-18 06:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-18 07:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-18 07:43 am (UTC)also with the canadian church: hazaa! but i don't know what to think about that kind of thing in the anglican church... when i should support US etc people pushing gay stuff forward and whether maybe there is an argument that they shouldn't... um... i'm not very educated on this actually... and seeing as you are an anglican church watcher, want to summarise it for me? :)
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Date: 2008-05-18 08:02 am (UTC)i should support US etc people pushing gay stuff forward and whether maybe there is an argument that they shouldn't...
I guess it depends on how highly you rate the unity of the Anglican Communion.
The thing with Anglicans, too, is that congregations don't call their ministers, they get appointed. Which means that a congregation *could* be in a position of being 'forced' to accept a gay/female/other dangerous persuasion minister. And while you tend to want to tell people just to suck it up, forcing change doesn't make people change their *minds*.
Whereas with the UCA, and I assume with this Lutheran congregation in Canada, the *congregation* call the minister, and so no matter what the decision at the top, no congregation is forced to take on a minister they can't in conscience live with. Bad, perhaps, for short-term change, but I reckons there's a higher prospect of solid long term changethat way.
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Date: 2008-05-18 08:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-18 08:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-18 09:20 am (UTC)meanwhile. i am the only one at home, even the cat has been locked in the back room because she was vomiting all morning (ON MY BED!!!!!!) and i am BORED AND HAVE NO-ONE TO TALK TO EXCEPT THE INTERNET (and my thesis). *sob*
seriously, i have hardly spoken to anyone (in person) except my housemates for ages, it seems.... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh slowly going maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.....
sorry. just had to whinge to someone...
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Date: 2008-05-18 10:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-18 10:23 am (UTC)No one to talk to is a terrible state of affairs.
When do you hand the blasted thing in? We should have another study date like thing, in the interests of you not going man?
I like question marks?
Also, phoning granny sounds like a wonderful option. Wish I had helpful and reassuring grandparents.
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Date: 2008-05-18 11:43 am (UTC)it's due on 29 may - i'd love a study date but suspect i might get more done if i stay home :(
who knows, going mad could be fun? (and of course going 'man' is my aim in life :P )
well, if you ever need it, i'm happy to pretend to be your granny. i'll tell you all about how my body is falling to pieces! actually it sounds pretty sucky, the whole being old and everything just stops working thing... although at least granny did seem quite cheery. are your grandparents still around, or just grumpy?
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Date: 2008-05-18 01:42 pm (UTC)true, true. and one's efforts at masculinity are no doubt increased by avoiding Women's College ;)
yes, I still have a full complement of grandparents. (well, actually, one grandfather hasn't been seen since before mum was born, so he doesn't count) One grandmother is grumpy, paranoid and insular. The other is grumpy, and foul in every respect.
The grandfather is lovely, but is not allowed to answer telephones, thanks to paranoid grandmother. They've got to the separate bedrooms stage, after fifty bloody year's of marriage.
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Date: 2008-05-18 01:52 pm (UTC)hazaa! mission accomplished :)
your grandparents do sound like an interesting lot...
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Date: 2008-05-18 01:57 pm (UTC)it can be forgiven all sins. That's awesome.
My grandparents are all mad. My great-grandmother, by all accounts, was a saint, but then, she's dead, many dead people were fabulous.
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Date: 2008-05-18 09:53 pm (UTC)the poor thing is the VICTIM of a STUPID internet FAD! she'll be teased mercilessly at school! be ashamed when she's an old cat and the internet has moved on!
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Date: 2008-05-19 12:27 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-19 12:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-18 07:56 am (UTC)score one for facebook!
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Date: 2008-05-18 01:54 pm (UTC)i love coming out to people via facebook! although the matter is probably confused a little because it says i'm in an open relationship with an old friend when clearly i'm not.
anyhoo. yay for out-ness.
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Date: 2008-05-18 02:01 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2008-05-18 01:55 pm (UTC)Sadly, New Zealand has even fewer jobs for Anglo-Saxonists than does Australia. Sigh.
There was a time (I can't remember what was happening in Australian politics, something depressing) when we'd all sit at the table at breakfast on Saturday and stare despondantly at the paper before announcing that we were all moving to New Zealand. We did this every week for a good couple of months...
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Date: 2008-05-18 04:15 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2008-05-18 01:54 pm (UTC)how scandinavian of me
-bjork
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Date: 2008-05-18 01:55 pm (UTC)